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(my greens. no more proper than others.)

Forest, from the speritu world.


Reading American Gods. Makes sense. Fuck of a lot more real than crossing the wall through the careful stylized universe in The Fountainhead, even if they both call honor.


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Mar. 28th, 2010 05:39 pm (UTC)
I've been reading that book off and on for the past year. It's good, but its pace does not always agree with my short attention span. I've never read anything like it.
Mar. 28th, 2010 05:48 pm (UTC)
Didn't know you had a short attention span.
Mar. 28th, 2010 08:56 pm (UTC)
Yeah I do... it sucks... it makes it hard to get through books. Also, when I get home from work, the last thing I want to do is read, since I read and proofread throughout the day. Lillian should take over. She is a more voracious reader.
Mar. 28th, 2010 10:19 pm (UTC)
when I get home from work, the last thing I want to do is read

Heh, that is like Pyraxis, the last thing she wants to do is code.

Does Lillian want to take over?
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Apr. 1st, 2010 07:02 pm (UTC)
Can understand that.
Mar. 28th, 2010 10:00 pm (UTC)
Whoa it looks like you got stuck in a kaleidoscope or something. Or... or how it looks when you pick up one of the crystals in this box 47 has and look at the world through that.
Mar. 28th, 2010 10:35 pm (UTC)
Hahaha! That -

...is a very disturbing thought.

Gawd, Jim, I don't know what to do. You know how you guys are low energy? In 47's body. So is this one and I can't stand it. There's too much to do and it takes skills that I suck at. Only way I know to stay me is go running through the speritu world. But cristal is bad.
Mar. 28th, 2010 11:09 pm (UTC)
Oh yeah I totally feel you on that. This sucks. Our body is all super tired and all 47 wants to do is stay in bed and read and watch movies and go on this crazy knitting spree. We're talking like this pile of sweaters that she's working on or fixing. ...I'm so freaking bored. XD But I don't really have the energy to do anything except complain and deep-fry that comment thread with Wolf. So I'm just kinda half stuck here being like urgsadhkjfdakhdfskj. Seriously I'd go running with you if I could so I wouldn't have to stare at fucking sweaters all day. But I don't think I can right now.

I hope you guys can get some rest soon. I'd offer to help but unless help involves a big fucking pile of sweaters I dunno if we can do anything. XP I could throw sweaters at speritu, see what happens. Maybe it's so cold when they touch you because they just really really really need some warm knit clothes.
Mar. 29th, 2010 05:25 am (UTC)
Reading American Gods. Makes sense. Fuck of a lot more real than crossing the wall through the careful stylized universe in The Fountainhead, even if they both call honor.

Read American Gods a while back, only have vague memories of it but think I liked it. I just finished reading This Alien Shore a few minutes ago. All I can say is... OMFG. Agreeing with Bayashi here: http://jimnightmare.livejournal.com/23248.html?thread=231376#t231376. This book is amazing. If you haven't read it yet, I don't want to spoil too much, but there is an autistic main character and a multiple main character(s), along with a bunch of other great stuff, and the author really, really did their research. Highly recommending this book. Will probably write more about it on my lj sometime soon-ish.
Mar. 29th, 2010 05:59 pm (UTC)
Hm. I will put it on the list.

I can tell you I've gotten through about the first chapter of Set This House In Order. My first impression: holy crap, they make it sound so... smooth, and literary, this broken process of switching modes and pandering to odd desires. There's no way in hell the uninitiated are going to be able to sort the real from the elaborated here. And OMFG, every fricking alter needs a little bit of breakfast? Even at his most split, shashigai didn't need that kind of caretaking - and at most split, it's a horrendous waste of energy anyway. What's-his-name the MC is totally exploiting that landlady.

It made me think about the process of writing biographies, and how you have to tweak and repaint reality in order to turn it into a memorable cohesive story. The elaboration done in writing a singlet's biography isn't so different from the guilt I've been getting when I consider trying to 'storify' bits of Shashigai's and my lives. It's narcissistic as hell and it turns my stomach.

(And yet I think of the bits of writing you've done about yourself and Sh-san, and they don't seem narcissistic. I don't entirely get what my problem is.)

I'm highly judgmental of Set This House In Order and I haven't even read much; this is a sure sign that I need to examine my motives. (Yes, thank you, Celesty, oh my pristine conscience *rolls eyes*)
Mar. 29th, 2010 08:57 pm (UTC)
Re: Set This House In Order- Yeah, it's like this strange fictionalized literary version of multiplicity.

And OMFG, every fricking alter needs a little bit of breakfast?

LOL, I'd forgotten about that part. Yes, I found that quite stupid.

I actually found This Alien Shore to be closer to reality in a lot of ways- Not 100%, there are still some aspects that seem to come from researching the classic information available on the subject- it's trauma-based, the main person isn't aware of her alters until much later and just blacks out at first or gets stuck helplessly watching others pilot her body- But then later on there's descriptions of co-consciousness, blendiness, inner world stuff, the others as related "cousin souls" and sometimes serving as outlets for things instead of random people stuck together developing in weird quirky paths for no reason, and it hit a lot closer to home. Same with the autistic guy- there are bits of him that seem to come more from standard views of what autism is instead of what being autistic is really like, but some of it hits pretty close and overall I found the book quite impressive in portraying a very neurologically diverse cast. It's not perfect, but better than most of what I've seen, and the idea behind it is quite cool.

Re: biographies. I don't think the tweaking of reality to make a good story is necessarily narcissistic, unless you're tweaking the story to say that you're the most awesome person ever. :P I don't think it's bad or narcissistic for a person to want to write about themselves- people are fascinating, selves included, and I enjoy reading biographies. I wouldn't enjoy reading biographies if they contained a lot of unedited mundane details that didn't really go anywhere. Maybe try to think of it as doing your readers a favor. XD
Mar. 29th, 2010 09:52 pm (UTC)
And OMFG, every fricking alter needs a little bit of breakfast?

YOU JUST BE GLAD I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EAT, GUYS! Stupid epic breakfasts are freaking hilarious. 47 could have her oatmeal, then I'd be all "screw that!" and go get deep-fried naked sushi, and then Evan could have toast, and then everybody in the world could know if somebody's multiple because they're too freaking fat to move and spend all day long eating breakfast. Somebody should write that story. ...Can I collaborate with you and shashigai to try and write the worst story ever about multiplicity sometime? XD
Mar. 29th, 2010 10:06 pm (UTC)
LOL, a few minutes later...

47: The worst story about multiplicity ever? We'd need to come up with some great traumatic origin. Like, my mother-
Jim: -ATE MY DOG! :D
47: *has to walk very fast to go hide in the restroom for a few minutes, as "Why are you laughing?" "The voices in my head are funny XD" probably wouldn't cut it*
Mar. 29th, 2010 10:45 pm (UTC)

Oh crap, I'm hopeless at coming up with funny stuff. We'll have to go hijack one of shashigai's posts and get his help. Um... we need a therapist-savior (hey, we could make him a priest too, for good measure :D ) running a support group full of bizarre specimens of humanity, like... a furry that can't stop chasing his invisible tail?
Mar. 29th, 2010 11:01 pm (UTC)
XD And then he goes and eats the OCD dog furry. "Hey! Stop recreating the pattern of your abuse, man!"

And, done. I just hijacked Wolf's newest post.
Mar. 29th, 2010 11:14 pm (UTC)
Uh oh, he committed a crime? That wasn't him! That was his evil alter!
Mar. 30th, 2010 03:30 am (UTC)
There's no way in hell the uninitiated are going to be able to sort the real from the elaborated here.

Hmm, thinking about your comment more, I think this is a pretty important criticism that makes a bit more sense to me than the rest of what you were saying. If somebody not in x minority group writes about x minority group, and fictionalizes/elaborates a lot about them, a lot of people who read it might get the idea "Oh, x group is just like in that book!" because it's one of the few representations of that group available in media, and that could do harm- author benefits by telling a good story, minority group now has to deal with more popular misconceptions about them. THAT could be narcissistic or just plain ignorant. With multiplicity, I think it's somewhat easy for me to let it slide- The information about it seems to be so scattered and varied between people, there's so much controversy and disagreement and iffy information out there with no solid foundation, that I think it would be pretty terribly difficult for anyone to get an accurate picture, much less write about it (heck, let's say I manage to write the comic about my experience and by some wild shot it gets popular- multiples who view themselves as extremely separate people or from the astral plane or don't want anything to do with imagination or whatever might be annoyed at having my views on multiplicity more widely spread. It seems like this stuff could be hard to deal with since it's a minority with so much variation both between how people's systems work and their views, and outsiders probably have a tendency to want to generalize "all multiples are like x" because it's easier). With writing fiction about autism, I think I'd have a lot less sympathy for an inaccurate portrayal- I'd understand to an extent if you have a very different view on cause/cure just because there's so much controversy floating around, but it seems like even though there's a lot of misinformation floating around the self-advocacy movement has gotten loud enough and has enough resources out there, along with a growing body of solid science, that there's not much of an excuse to do a really shitty misinformed or overly fictionalized portrayal. Anyway... gah, sort of rambling here. Time to go back to knitting. :P
Mar. 29th, 2010 12:34 pm (UTC)
wow we like those paintings, both for different reasons. The second one because it disorientated us and we thought for a moment we were looking at the universe from somewhere else.
And the first because the greens are just awesome!

In our world there are forests like in the second one. We love them, we carry them in our heart.

Never read American gods, but it sounds good.
Mar. 30th, 2010 12:11 am (UTC)
there are forests like in the second one

There are? ...How?

It is looking from somewhere else. Just outside of reality. Where every step changes your perspective and in the fractal you see three at once of everything around you. Where the ground drops away and you sight an anchor and fly.

What kind of place is your world?
Mar. 30th, 2010 12:42 pm (UTC)
Oh, like when we came here. Stepping beyond the ... like the um... threads of that reality and then into another one and as you do the whole world shifts And what is is not and is and is not.

We would step onto the webbing to travel. Become the webbing that the whole world is strung upon, and Become ourself/Imoh again somewhere else.

The forests, the bottom one, the top one is the wrong colour, but the forests of the Seakhinga, my grandfather's people are like your bottom painting. Maybe wilder, but the colour, ok it isn't literally right but the sense is right, and the curves and the shapes.

what is my world like? Real. lol! Not a fairytale, not perfect. Real. Smelly, few people bathe much *grins* And ...

will answer more when it isn't so late at night.
Mar. 31st, 2010 12:47 am (UTC)
We would step onto the webbing to travel. Become the webbing that the whole world is strung upon, and Become ourself/Imoh again somewhere else.

Yes! That's how I ran us back from Scotland, once.

J-t is not good at painting wildness. Maybe I can teach her. >:)

I love forest more than I can say. Your grandfather's people's forest sounds beautiful.
Mar. 31st, 2010 12:52 am (UTC)

you must be online at the moment :-)

I am glad you understood what I meant by travelling on the webbing.

Yes, my grandfather's people's forest is beautiful. So not like anything in Australia ever!
Mar. 31st, 2010 12:59 am (UTC)
Heh, online from work. It's alpha in the production cycle, 12 hour days, lucky they haven't blocked LJ.
Mar. 31st, 2010 01:03 am (UTC)

I would stay and chat but mum is about to chuck me off the computer *grins*

I could always turn on mine but so tired!
Mar. 31st, 2010 01:09 am (UTC)
LOL, get rest, you've been busy too. *waves*
Mar. 31st, 2010 01:24 am (UTC)
Nah, turned my computer on. Gonna have a WHINGE to my fave internet community about Zoe. Not the dog herself but the "friends" of Kite's who were going to take her at the weekend.

Besides it is 11 in the morning here, spose I had better stay outta bed huh?

Mar. 31st, 2010 01:26 am (UTC)
Hahaha! Friggin time changes. Friggin round planets. :P
Mar. 31st, 2010 02:25 am (UTC)
rofl :-D
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