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Houston, we have a problem

Mom brought her second litter up to the porch today. It looked like there were only two, a little grey wolf and a timid black guy. Then another black guy poked his head out of the bushes. And another.

But this is too many cats, so now we have to figure out what to do. Queen would be hard to catch because she's the most feral of the lot. Look at her. You're not fooling those eyes.

I really don't like the idea of spaying her because it seems insulting and intrusive. The alternative would be letting the kittens starve. I'm stupid about this. I believe in death with dignity instead of trying to erase suffering from the world. You can't erase suffering anyway and if you try then you just get a population that's more and more dense and restless. It's not natural. I know it's what humans have to do until we figure out how to get to other habitable planets, but why should we make other species do that too?

From the first litter, Lionheart's mostly moved on and eats somewhere else now, so we don't have to worry about him. Junior (/Buster) has gotten very friendly, and always asks for pets, and you can pick him up. Today he waltzed right into the living room and flopped down on the carpet. He's almost full grown and he would be really adoptable.

Peanut (/Chickenheart) is pretty friendly now too, and he could pass for a house cat.

Silver's the only one who's still a little too cautious of people. But he gets to be the big brother now and the kittens are scared of him.

If we're going to help the new litter then the black triplets will need names. Does anyone have any ideas?



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Nov. 26th, 2011 07:27 pm (UTC)
I think you should spay and neuter the cats, if possible ._. But that's my opinion, and I also know that in many cases people aren't able to do this, for whatever reason. But also: the idea of death with dignity seems like...in most cases, it seems like a myth that people like to imagine, but is usually best attained by like... monks and saints, or people who focus their entire lives in reaching the state of peace regardless of the situation. There's nothing dignfied about dying by starvation. It's prolonged and painful and your body is basically eating itself from the inside out. (In general, I'm thinking right now about a book I have on my shelf, How We Die by Nuland, a doctor; really an interesting book). As far as arguments against "erasing suffering"... it's, umm, welll...then I could make the counter-arguement, why bother trying to ease suffering or bring joy to yourself or your own life, if it's all a pointless endeavor?

You could also say that domestic cats gone feral and over-populating areas seems to me like a human-made problem (an old friend of mine has horror stories of people abandoning pets in the area, which caused all kinds of problems for the animals and ensuing kittens). Sort of like the rabbit problem that happened in Australia once, although that's a far more extreme example. Cat over-populations and rabbits nearly destroying the ecosystem in Australia (because people were breeding them for food) are "not natural." So it doesn't make sense to me to use ideas about naturalness or natural deaths in regards to these sitations.

...sorry, I'm chattering on rather a lot, but I did not want to mention these thoughts since this isn't the first post you've made on the neighborhood cats.
Nov. 26th, 2011 07:47 pm (UTC)
shashigai's sister died by starvation because of stomach cancer. I know that dignity can be as much of a lie as when the SPCA says they "lovingly" kill feral cats that have "behavioral problems" (they think they would take too much bother to tame). But a human, you can ask them how they want to die, and a cat you can't ask so easily. I know if rabbits get overpopulated, there's something that happens where does absorb the kits back into their bodies instead of giving birth. I don't know if cats have something like that too, but I do know that how is the queen going to know to stop bringing lots of kittens unless we stop helping them?

That's true about feral domestic cat overpopulation is a problem that humans allowed to happen. And technically if something is happening, it's "natural", and it's a myth that some things are more natural than others. The noble savage stereotype. Maybe I should say balanced instead.

As far as arguments against "erasing suffering"... it's, umm, welll...then I could make the counter-arguement, why bother trying to ease suffering or bring joy to yourself or your own life, if it's all a pointless endeavor?

Ok that's not what I meant at all. I don't think the opposite of easing suffering is despair. There is a good amount of suffering to have, the same way that there's an optimal amount of challenge. Flow. It's the range of flow that I'm trying to determine.

As for chattering, I'm sorry too because I don't mean to distract you from your work. I'm trying to talk about things that other people might be interested in too so you don't feel like you have to answer everything.
Nov. 26th, 2011 08:15 pm (UTC)
*waves hands around in flappy way* I talk too much. That is, when I have a thought in my head, and then I try to talk about it, I end up talking alot because I feel like I need to fully explain the words coming out of my mouth or else it's too easy to have miscommunication problems, and even then miscommunication happens too often, or else people just have clashing ideas for different reasons, or whatever else. But I :C about the idea of those fluffy munchkins dying from starvation; also, my old friend and his pack were huge on animal rescue and doing things like staying up all night to nurse kittens back to health and catching the local queen to spay so that there wouldn't be more kittens to have to nurse back to health... so I was like, I should try to say something here D: Even if j-t says that the reasoning I suggest doesn't really feel like it fits this situation, at least I put in the effort of presenting a different viewpoint.

lol, as far as distracting myself from work... I have only myself to blame for the fact I'm online instead of reading my physio book >.>

Yeah, anyway, I hope it doesn't feel like I'm spamming you guys with comments :C Like, I had thought that I ought to respond to the last post about Hemingway because I brought up that writer in the first place, but at the same time, after the length of my response... I hope I don't come off as "that chatterbox," always talking too much. (*Is trying to work on it*)
Nov. 26th, 2011 08:43 pm (UTC)
It doesn't feel like spamming with comments. Right now I'm just... we're all really lost trying to figure out this writing to an audience thing. So it's like, I've got the knack of writing to two people, I'm figuring out now how to write to one other person (you), but what about everybody else? Pyraxis and me and even Ua'lin keep trying things to see if anything sticks, but it's not working.

As for the kittens D: I don't know. I really don't. We'll probably try and catch the queen, and put food out for all the kittens. I'm still glad you said something and I do want to hear other points of view. I'm just having a hard time.
Nov. 27th, 2011 04:18 am (UTC)
Well, we once had a similar situation, only with ferrets. We ended up naming them Bert, Ernie & Bernie :-)
Nov. 27th, 2011 05:06 pm (UTC)
Re: hmmmm....
:) You had a ferret that had babies? What happened to all the little ones?

I'll tell Shashigai your names. Right now we can't even tell the black ones apart so maybe it would be good to have names that sound like they go together like that.
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